if you just look at the first -- martha: nancy pelosi says spending is not the problem. the president has said it. hair economisan economist said we're going there, and we're willing to make more. what do you say? >> i think the president continues to spend more. he added 6 trillion. if you take the first two months of this fiscal year revenues increased 6%, 30 billion. you can't get out of this problem. martha: do you feel like you're shouting into the wind? i didn't mean to just cut you off there which makes you feel more like you're shouting into the wind. do you feel that way? >> i feel tpwrus traited tha frustrated that the president won't listen to the american public. if you sake away all the zeros and put in the family house-hold numbers on average we bring in $24,000 a year but we spend approximately $35,000. so we add $11,000 to the credit card. on that credit card we already owe $160,000. you can't get out of this mess by continuing to spend. you have to grow the economy, which is a plan that we both worked together but you've got to watch your spending, that'